tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615782020735321095.post3482729483885283939..comments2024-03-22T10:01:23.989+00:00Comments on Wargaming for Grown-ups: Ceresole, - the refightTrebianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02221916804339000102noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615782020735321095.post-17452961015726782282014-06-07T13:29:22.788+01:002014-06-07T13:29:22.788+01:00I think that using bases in units is important in ...I think that using bases in units is important in this period. As I said FoG-R is intended to be played on a 6 x 4 table, which is pretty much "standard size".<br /><br />Glad someone is enjoying the battle reports as well!Trebianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02221916804339000102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615782020735321095.post-14088709581358377472014-06-07T11:43:04.958+01:002014-06-07T11:43:04.958+01:00I guess I really need to try out both to see how t...I guess I really need to try out both to see how they run. I like the fact that FOG R uses DBx type bases but forms them up into units, whereas DBR looks rather free form but has the advantage (to me) of requiring less space when using condensed scale (like DBA). <br />And many thanks for the battle reports et al, they're really good to read.Fitzhornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15635409694245394765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615782020735321095.post-76727938601745114792014-06-07T09:12:06.762+01:002014-06-07T09:12:06.762+01:00That all makes sense. It has the feeling of being ...That all makes sense. It has the feeling of being bolted together to meet specific needs. <br /><br />Which is not necessarily a bad thing.Trebianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02221916804339000102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615782020735321095.post-65765855375489593722014-06-06T21:55:35.258+01:002014-06-06T21:55:35.258+01:00Re FoG-R and DBR ...
FoG-R was designed by FoG an...Re FoG-R and DBR ...<br /><br />FoG-R was designed by FoG and DBR players to use DBR armies in the same space and taking the same time as DBR. Inevitably they feel that it corrects a number of flaws in DBR and is a dgree less fiddly (but they would say that, wouldn't they?) ...<br /><br />PhilSoA Shows Northhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14181076390844159417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615782020735321095.post-7818394463821902812014-06-06T20:11:14.790+01:002014-06-06T20:11:14.790+01:00Creosote is so last century. Shedquarters is tanna...Creosote is so last century. Shedquarters is tannalised,<br /><br />FoG-R has enough in it to make me want to come back to it. As to whether they are clunky....well they have a remorseless logic in the design and they have been well thought through rather than being elegant. The rules are well explained and they have tried to deal with everything they can. They have obviously been play-tested really, really, well. Consequently they may look more clunky than a set like Black Powder, which has a lot of holes and seems to have been tested by a bunch of mates.<br /><br />They need a fair amount of real estate is using 28mm figures, - but then what doesn't? A base is 100 - 250 men so a 3,000 man tercio is 12 bases. That's something between 36 and 48 figures depending on your basing. P&S look to me to require even more space and from what I've seen are real heavy going. By all accounts we'd never have got Ceresole done in an evening using them. Possibly not in a day, either. <br /><br />Obviously using 15mm requires less space and they have the idea of varying the size of a Movement Unit to make it fit on your table. They expect to play on 6' x 4', I think, for 28mm and 15mm.<br /><br />DBR is what it is. I've never played it and not liked what I've watched. I still hold a candle for old Armati.Trebianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02221916804339000102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615782020735321095.post-69675750949432132592014-06-06T18:36:16.420+01:002014-06-06T18:36:16.420+01:00For some reason I always think of this as the Batt...For some reason I always think of this as the Battle of Creosote, no doubt dating back to when I first read about it in my distant youth. Perhaps that's why it is ideal for your Shedquarters........<br /><br />I am interested in how you are finding FOG-R. I have the rules and they look pretty but just seem a bit clunky (and slow too?). They also seem to require a fair amount of real estate to play (though not as much as Pike and Shotte?). I'm currently blowing the dust off of DBR to see how this might work, particularly at condensed scale. I might just give Ceresoles a go too.Fitzhornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15635409694245394765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615782020735321095.post-84743340937997174032014-06-06T16:20:51.066+01:002014-06-06T16:20:51.066+01:00I thought the game ebbed and flowed really well, a...I thought the game ebbed and flowed really well, and nothing happened that shouldn't have. The intercept charge mechanism worked well, as you say. <br /><br />Still not sure about the ability to charge a unit from outside arquebus range and not receive a volley, however.Trebianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02221916804339000102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615782020735321095.post-47557234288604567142014-06-06T15:01:56.391+01:002014-06-06T15:01:56.391+01:00Great rollercoaster of a game, which we just about...Great rollercoaster of a game, which we just about managed to conclude within the evening (despite our sometimes frustrating failure to find the answers in the book)<br /><br />I thought the feel was pretty good, and enjoyed the unlikely way that the gendarmes managed to dominate the centre of the battlefield in a sort of chivalric flourish!<br /><br />In one case that was down to mobility (and enemy indecision), in the other, tellingly, to an intercept charge on charging landsknechts (costing them a poa, which made the impact phase more random) ... it sort of bears out that Pike & Shot period function for cavalry of obliging the foot to stop and defend (doubtless had stood and obliged the French to charge, the gendarmes would have bounced off) ...<br /><br />Those interactions sort of worked, I thought ...<br /><br />PhilSoA Shows Northhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14181076390844159417noreply@blogger.com