What is wrong with this map. And other things

Some of you will be familiar with the britishbattles.com website. Lots of cool pictures (some of which might even be out of copyright and used with permission) and nice maps by a bloke called John Fawkes. The maps often pop up elsewhere as they are nice and clear and enable a wargamer to work out what was where. The battle descriptions are very clear and to the point.

Alas, the site isn't always accurate, and whoever runs it doesn't respond to their "contact us" email address. Given that situation, I thought I'd better (with my Northamptonshire Battlefields Society hat on) just post a few comments on the map and description of one of the battlefields we campaign for, Northampton 1460.

I will pass over the reference to "Delapre  Abbey" as everyone calls it that now (it was actually the Convent of St Mary de la Pre at the time) and proceed to the material errors in the information provided.


I have marked up the map to make things easy to follow.

A: Delapre Deer Park. This area has never been a deer park. It the 19th century the Bouverie family turned the area over to park land to train their fox hunter horses. At the time of the battle it was arable farmed by the Convent and Hardingstone village. The area would have been planted with crops and laid out in ridge and furrow, remains of which can be seen to day.

B: Copse. This is an area now known as "The Rookery". It was planted by the Bouveries in the 19th century to look like a fox covert. It was not there in 1460.

C: Wooded area. All of these trees are modern, having been planted in the 19th century.

D: Eleanor Cross area. The Cross, at the time, was not surrounded by trees. It stood on the highest point to the south of the town gates, so it could be seen from the town and the Convent. This portrayal doesn't even show the area as it is now, as there's no gap between the trees in this area and area "C" discussed above. 

E: Delapre Farm: This is not contemporary.

F: The map omits the Fulbrook and Battle Dyke, both of which had an impact on the battle. I have marked their approximate course.

G: The Lancastrian defensive position. Modern analysis places the defences in the location of "F" on the map, but there is still the possibility that the Lancastrians were to the north, the interpretation this account prefers. I have copied the website description of the location, and footnoted it:

"The Yorkists found the Lancastrian army entrenched on the northern boundary of the Deer Park of Delapré Abbey...The Delapré Abbey Deer Park comprised a rectangle, bordered by a ditch and fence (1). The Abbey lay in the centre of the park. The combined ditch and fence, the ditch being on the inner side, existed to keep the deer in and poachers out and formed a barrier some 10 feet in height (2). The Lancastrian army was positioned along the northern boundary, facing into the estate (3). At each corner of the Deer Park were small enclosures, which the Lancastrians fortified(4). The Lancastrians possessed guns which were in position along the northern perimeter fence. The Yorkist approach to the Lancastrian position lay through the Delapré Abbey Deer Park, an area of grazing and copses (5)".

(1) The area was not, and has never been, a rectangle, surrounded by a ditch and fence. This is complete fantasy.

(2) There were no deer, and consequently no poachers. There is no source giving the height of the fence as 10 feet high, as there's no source saying there was one at all.

(3) In accounts that place the Lancastrian army to the north, it is said to be with its back to the river, having dug a ditch for protection, not on the edge of the Convent's lands. 

(4) No. There were no small enclosures (LIDAR surveys have been done) and consequently they weren't fortified.

(5) The Yorkists would have advanced through planted crops. There were no grazing animals, and all the trees were planted subsequently to the battle.

In conclusion, this isn't even a good description of the theory that has now been discounted.

It's not just the map and the location description. Let me share with you this  description of the arms and armour used:

"Uniforms, arms and equipment at the Battle of Northampton:  The senior commanders and their noble supporters and knights rode to battle on horseback, in armour, with sword, lance and shield. Their immediate entourage comprised mounted men-at-arms, in armour and armed with sword, lance and shield, although often fighting on foot."

The shield was obsolete by 1460 for a man in full plate and no one would have been carrying one.

I'll stop now as I've been told before not to overdo these things. In short, however, there is very little of value to be gained from using this site, and its account of Northampton should be deleted. 

I won't comment on any of the other battles covered, as I don't have any form of responsibility for them. I'll just say that if you want to understand Northampton 1460, you should check out Mike Ingram's book on the subject: link . Don't look at the recommended reading on the page. It, likewise, is total rubbish if you want to understand this battle.





Comments

  1. Tempted to say "apart from that it was alright". I've spotted inaccuracies before on those maps, but nothing on that level (not that I know a particular subject that well). They look great, nice and clear etc. But I've found the scale can be off or they're not to scale. The formation block sizes are misleading (one assumes blocks of the same size represent roughly similar sized formations).

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    1. I agree with Chris. I have come across inaccuracies in a number of the Fawkes maps. Some produce a much different perspective of the battle than is consensus. The maps are nice and clear, so there is that. Your reconciliations are important so don't let your voice be stifled.

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    2. If you follow the NBS Facebook feed you'll see that the map for Wakefield is junk too, not just because it doesn't follow the latest research but because the map doesn't follow the ground for the interpretation it gives. I think that generally I wouldn't use one of these maps for any battle. Where I know they're wrong i don't nee them, and if I don't know I can't trust them. Get the message out there.

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  2. I am a big fan of these maps. To be honest I have used them for several games. This will make me look at them closer. I do wonder if he uses the lay of the land as it is now so people who might walk the battlefield could get their bearing to the battlefield. I've walked a couple of ACW battlefields and without the overhead views maps give you, it's easy to become disoriented without landmarks.

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    1. Regretfully for Northampton the map does not match the lay of the land today - the golf course is missing, for a start, and I've noted the gap in the trees between the Eleanor Cross and the trees to the left. The London road is missing, and the implied contours are off too. Paul Dawson, who knows as much about Wakefield as any one, has confirmed that the map for that one doesn't capture the modern landscape besides being completely wrong in every respect. I'm loath to comment on others as I don't have a personal axe to grind, but the Bosworth map is badly awry given modern research - which is now a decade old. The proportions on Naseby don't look right either. It might be that other maps in other periods and other descriptions are accurate. It is possible that the site owner and John Fawkes are experts in another period and have been caught out by expanding the range of the site, but for those I know they are 100% not to be relied upon.

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  3. I'll have to bow to your superior knowledge, I'm afraid.

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    1. Actually you don't have to. There are two great free resources on Registered Battlefields. One is the Battlefields Trust hub. This includes OS location maps and battle descriptions written by local experts. The other is the Historic England's Register on their website, which includes the registration reports written by the likes of Glenn Foard. I am really at a loss as to why wargamers don't look at them and use the information.

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